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		<title>By: Antichrist: jmag review &#124; Martyn Pedler</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2010/01/adaptations-whats-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Antichrist: jmag review &#124; Martyn Pedler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reviews this month: Bigelow&#8217;s The Hurt Locker, Hillcoat&#8217;s The Road &#8211; more on that here &#8211; and Final Destination [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reviews this month: Bigelow&#8217;s The Hurt Locker, Hillcoat&#8217;s The Road &#8211; more on that here &#8211; and Final Destination [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Martyn</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2010/01/adaptations-whats-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>Martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you enjoyed ANIMAL MAN; I think it stands up amazingly well, all these years later, and it it has some real heart to it to make sure it never becomes just oooh-aren&#039;t-we-clever meta-gameplay. I picked up a copy of CAKES AND ALE yesterday, too. (It also has someone with animal powers in it, right? Right?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you enjoyed ANIMAL MAN; I think it stands up amazingly well, all these years later, and it it has some real heart to it to make sure it never becomes just oooh-aren&#8217;t-we-clever meta-gameplay. I picked up a copy of CAKES AND ALE yesterday, too. (It also has someone with animal powers in it, right? Right?)</p>
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		<title>By: Manolis</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2010/01/adaptations-whats-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phew. After writing that, I thought it was a bit harsh and I was hoping you wouldn&#039;t get offended. I had even prepared my but-some-of-my-best-friends-are-hipster-leftists defence.

And I read Animal Man based on your recommendation. Awesomeness all the way. 

And Maugham is a perfect author for the subject of this post -- a shit load of his books and plays have been adapted to screen (scroll down and you&#039;ll find the list): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Somerset_Maugham

Interesting piece of trivia: Bill Murray agreed to the lead role in Ghostbusters on the condition that his  adaptation of The Razor&#039;s Edge, a Maugham novel, be made with himself starring.

My recommendation: if you bother to start reading Maugham, avoid Of Human Bondage and The Razor&#039;s Edge. They&#039;re the fan favourites, but that&#039;s just because they&#039;re both bildungsromans.

I say go Cakes and Ale, or maybe Moon and Sixpence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phew. After writing that, I thought it was a bit harsh and I was hoping you wouldn&#8217;t get offended. I had even prepared my but-some-of-my-best-friends-are-hipster-leftists defence.</p>
<p>And I read Animal Man based on your recommendation. Awesomeness all the way. </p>
<p>And Maugham is a perfect author for the subject of this post &#8212; a shit load of his books and plays have been adapted to screen (scroll down and you&#8217;ll find the list): <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Somerset_Maugham" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Somerset_Maugham</a></p>
<p>Interesting piece of trivia: Bill Murray agreed to the lead role in Ghostbusters on the condition that his  adaptation of The Razor&#8217;s Edge, a Maugham novel, be made with himself starring.</p>
<p>My recommendation: if you bother to start reading Maugham, avoid Of Human Bondage and The Razor&#8217;s Edge. They&#8217;re the fan favourites, but that&#8217;s just because they&#8217;re both bildungsromans.</p>
<p>I say go Cakes and Ale, or maybe Moon and Sixpence.</p>
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		<title>By: Martyn</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2010/01/adaptations-whats-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I love WHITE NOISE - and LIBRA, too, and even most of UNDERWORLD - I have to admit that calling it &quot;the hipster leftist&#039;s ATLAS SHRUGGED&quot; is a great line.  Just for that, I promise to read some Somerset Maugham - who&#039;s been a massive gap in my literary credibility so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I love WHITE NOISE &#8211; and LIBRA, too, and even most of UNDERWORLD &#8211; I have to admit that calling it &#8220;the hipster leftist&#8217;s ATLAS SHRUGGED&#8221; is a great line.  Just for that, I promise to read some Somerset Maugham &#8211; who&#8217;s been a massive gap in my literary credibility so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolis</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2010/01/adaptations-whats-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I love Somerset Maugham to death most of all because his views about the world I have a close affinity with.

Obviously, anyone else who ain&#039;t as enamoured by those views (I suppose aloof, curious, misanthropic humanism is a decent description) ain&#039;t gonna like Maugham as much as I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I love Somerset Maugham to death most of all because his views about the world I have a close affinity with.</p>
<p>Obviously, anyone else who ain&#8217;t as enamoured by those views (I suppose aloof, curious, misanthropic humanism is a decent description) ain&#8217;t gonna like Maugham as much as I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolis</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2010/01/adaptations-whats-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t like WHITE NOISE because I thought the big idea was a trite, unoriginal load of crap.

That&#039;s always the risk with big idea books: you&#039;re always going to divide the audience between those who loathe and love the big idea.

WHITE NOISE I consider the hipster leftist&#039;s ATLAS SHRUGGED or THE FOUNTAINHEAD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t like WHITE NOISE because I thought the big idea was a trite, unoriginal load of crap.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s always the risk with big idea books: you&#8217;re always going to divide the audience between those who loathe and love the big idea.</p>
<p>WHITE NOISE I consider the hipster leftist&#8217;s ATLAS SHRUGGED or THE FOUNTAINHEAD.</p>
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		<title>By: Martyn</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2010/01/adaptations-whats-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Thomas: I love the &quot;why see a band live if they sound just like their album?&quot; analogy, and plan to steal it wholeheartedly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Thomas: I love the &#8220;why see a band live if they sound just like their album?&#8221; analogy, and plan to steal it wholeheartedly.</p>
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		<title>By: Martyn</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2010/01/adaptations-whats-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting how different films, striving for Big Emotional Payoff, hit people in different ways. Some buy into them, others find them overtly manipulative or hollow. I know that I loved Wes Anderson&#039;s RUSHMORE and THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS, and thought they had real, deep emotion under all that artifice. Then his next two films I did find flat and hollow, and it made me doubt what I&#039;d loved about the earlier ones...

(But, hell, I loved WHITE NOISE! Perhaps because it was always more about Big Ideas than Big Emotions...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how different films, striving for Big Emotional Payoff, hit people in different ways. Some buy into them, others find them overtly manipulative or hollow. I know that I loved Wes Anderson&#8217;s RUSHMORE and THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS, and thought they had real, deep emotion under all that artifice. Then his next two films I did find flat and hollow, and it made me doubt what I&#8217;d loved about the earlier ones&#8230;</p>
<p>(But, hell, I loved WHITE NOISE! Perhaps because it was always more about Big Ideas than Big Emotions&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Manolis</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2010/01/adaptations-whats-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A writing exercise is a very good description!

The Road actually reminded me most of Dancer in the Dark. Both I thought to be devised solely to create maudlin, highly charged and emotionally manipulative situations regardless of how terribly plotted, thematically ridiculous and full of terribly one-dimensional characters the story might be.

Nevertheless, Dancer in the Dark I loved because von Trier and Bjork were so effective in making me emotional and forget the preposterous situation the characters found themselves in. They played with filmic devices that cause emotional responses and did so artfully.

I think people liked The Road because the story is designed to produce an emotional response, and that coupled with the sense that something &quot;literary&quot; has been read and understood makes for a positive reaction.  

I think McCarthy&#039;s prose, though, is trash, a self-consciously literary style with little going for it. I agree wholeheartedly with A Reader&#039;s Manifesto (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200107/myers), which derides the modern American fiction of Proulx, McCarthy, Auster (I loved New York Trilogy, was bored by most everything else) and DeLillo (White Noise is one of my most despised books).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A writing exercise is a very good description!</p>
<p>The Road actually reminded me most of Dancer in the Dark. Both I thought to be devised solely to create maudlin, highly charged and emotionally manipulative situations regardless of how terribly plotted, thematically ridiculous and full of terribly one-dimensional characters the story might be.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, Dancer in the Dark I loved because von Trier and Bjork were so effective in making me emotional and forget the preposterous situation the characters found themselves in. They played with filmic devices that cause emotional responses and did so artfully.</p>
<p>I think people liked The Road because the story is designed to produce an emotional response, and that coupled with the sense that something &#8220;literary&#8221; has been read and understood makes for a positive reaction.  </p>
<p>I think McCarthy&#8217;s prose, though, is trash, a self-consciously literary style with little going for it. I agree wholeheartedly with A Reader&#8217;s Manifesto (<a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200107/myers" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200107/myers</a>), which derides the modern American fiction of Proulx, McCarthy, Auster (I loved New York Trilogy, was bored by most everything else) and DeLillo (White Noise is one of my most despised books).</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Martyn! I wasn&#039;t really being humble though, just forgetful as I usually self promote at every opportunity. I like your music analogy by the way. If I may turn it around then I think what you are saying is why go to see a band live if they are simply going to create the exact same sound as the studio album.

Anyway, I think you&#039;ve basically nailed the key issue - it&#039;s all about the money. There&#039;s a huge portion of the population who will see a film over reading a novel so if you&#039;ve got a good story then why not re-package and re-sell it as a film? Actually doing the novel justice is almost an added bonus (when it happens). 

But I know that&#039;s not the issue you&#039;ve raised here. What you are asking is why bother with the film, if it does nothing different, if you&#039;ve already read the book and I suppose I am saying that I do think the experiences are different enough to make the redundancy moot. 

My big complaint with &#039;faithful&#039; adaptations is when the filmmakers stick so dogmatically to the plot and dialogue that they lose the meaning and nuances of the text. Sometimes significant changes have to be made from novel to film to adequate express what is really underlying the text. In other words, what you said in your piece about fidelity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Martyn! I wasn&#8217;t really being humble though, just forgetful as I usually self promote at every opportunity. I like your music analogy by the way. If I may turn it around then I think what you are saying is why go to see a band live if they are simply going to create the exact same sound as the studio album.</p>
<p>Anyway, I think you&#8217;ve basically nailed the key issue &#8211; it&#8217;s all about the money. There&#8217;s a huge portion of the population who will see a film over reading a novel so if you&#8217;ve got a good story then why not re-package and re-sell it as a film? Actually doing the novel justice is almost an added bonus (when it happens). </p>
<p>But I know that&#8217;s not the issue you&#8217;ve raised here. What you are asking is why bother with the film, if it does nothing different, if you&#8217;ve already read the book and I suppose I am saying that I do think the experiences are different enough to make the redundancy moot. </p>
<p>My big complaint with &#8216;faithful&#8217; adaptations is when the filmmakers stick so dogmatically to the plot and dialogue that they lose the meaning and nuances of the text. Sometimes significant changes have to be made from novel to film to adequate express what is really underlying the text. In other words, what you said in your piece about fidelity.</p>
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