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		<title>By: Martyn</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2009/12/james-camerons-avatar-was-it-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, of course, Manolis - and while I know I&#039;m the one who stupidly started this whole &#039;money vs art&#039; discussion, it really is an impossible one, I think. 

For one, I love dozens of films that completely flopped at the box office, but I&#039;ve never say they weren&#039;t &#039;worth it&#039;. And even worse: once you start asking if art was worth the money, well, even the world&#039;s greatest stories start to feel hollow next to starving children. I&#039;ve always said that art is, by definition, stuff that&#039;s not necessary - that&#039;s what makes it art!

So, uh, in conclusion: I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, of course, Manolis &#8211; and while I know I&#8217;m the one who stupidly started this whole &#8216;money vs art&#8217; discussion, it really is an impossible one, I think. </p>
<p>For one, I love dozens of films that completely flopped at the box office, but I&#8217;ve never say they weren&#8217;t &#8216;worth it&#8217;. And even worse: once you start asking if art was worth the money, well, even the world&#8217;s greatest stories start to feel hollow next to starving children. I&#8217;ve always said that art is, by definition, stuff that&#8217;s not necessary &#8211; that&#8217;s what makes it art!</p>
<p>So, uh, in conclusion: I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolis</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2009/12/james-camerons-avatar-was-it-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The movie might have had a big budget, but the fact that Avatar will make a profit means that that money was not wasted.

Spending $250,000 on a shit film with little artistic merit that loses money (i.e. a lot of Australian film) is much more obscene and wasteful than spending billions of dollars on breathtaking films that make a profit.

Price and waste are not directly related.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movie might have had a big budget, but the fact that Avatar will make a profit means that that money was not wasted.</p>
<p>Spending $250,000 on a shit film with little artistic merit that loses money (i.e. a lot of Australian film) is much more obscene and wasteful than spending billions of dollars on breathtaking films that make a profit.</p>
<p>Price and waste are not directly related.</p>
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		<title>By: Martyn</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2009/12/james-camerons-avatar-was-it-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, Cameron&#039;s definitely been attacked online for making a &#039;leftist fairytale&#039;, but that&#039;s to be expected. More confusing, though, is when the story of AVATAR is so schematic that it lets people read, uh, whatever they want into it.

Like this piece in the Guardian, explaining why Sarah Palin would love it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/30/fake-science-noughties

Listening to an interview with Cameron on Studio 360, it seemed like the plot grew more out of his childhood love of adventure films, rather than the desire to make any kind of political statement. (Although he says that he wasn&#039;t quite as convinced that AVATAR is the new WIZARD OF OZ as some others on set!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, Cameron&#8217;s definitely been attacked online for making a &#8216;leftist fairytale&#8217;, but that&#8217;s to be expected. More confusing, though, is when the story of AVATAR is so schematic that it lets people read, uh, whatever they want into it.</p>
<p>Like this piece in the Guardian, explaining why Sarah Palin would love it: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/30/fake-science-noughties" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/30/fake-science-noughties</a></p>
<p>Listening to an interview with Cameron on Studio 360, it seemed like the plot grew more out of his childhood love of adventure films, rather than the desire to make any kind of political statement. (Although he says that he wasn&#8217;t quite as convinced that AVATAR is the new WIZARD OF OZ as some others on set!)</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Martyn,
Thanks for the link to Bob Rehak&#039;s blog - I hadn&#039;t known about this and it looks fascinating and well-written... I like what he says about Avatar: in many ways, I would agree that part of the pleasure of watching it came from a sense of certainty in how the narrative would develop, that there weren&#039;t going to be any sudden surprises down the track and in fact we would get to see the narrative spool out as predicted. To call that &#039;hollow&#039; would miss the point, perhaps, in that predictable narratives or well-worn narrative conventions stay around precisely because they deliver pleasure in reliable ways. Even though we know the grooves of a story doesn&#039;t mean that we don&#039;t find it fun to travel along those grooves, especially when executed with such elan and aplomb...

In terms of audience reactions, you might be interested to know that the audience I was in burst out laughing when the following lines were spoken: &#039;we will fight terror with terror&#039;, and the &#039;shock and awe&#039; line... (I found it hilariously depressing to think that in 2154 apparently the phrase &#039;shock and awe&#039; will still be around as a cultural referent!).... I&#039;d be interested in knowing whether Cameron has been criticised by the Right in the US for his (albeit ham-fisted) implied critique of the Iraq War - have you heard anything about reactions to the film&#039;s politics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martyn,<br />
Thanks for the link to Bob Rehak&#8217;s blog &#8211; I hadn&#8217;t known about this and it looks fascinating and well-written&#8230; I like what he says about Avatar: in many ways, I would agree that part of the pleasure of watching it came from a sense of certainty in how the narrative would develop, that there weren&#8217;t going to be any sudden surprises down the track and in fact we would get to see the narrative spool out as predicted. To call that &#8216;hollow&#8217; would miss the point, perhaps, in that predictable narratives or well-worn narrative conventions stay around precisely because they deliver pleasure in reliable ways. Even though we know the grooves of a story doesn&#8217;t mean that we don&#8217;t find it fun to travel along those grooves, especially when executed with such elan and aplomb&#8230;</p>
<p>In terms of audience reactions, you might be interested to know that the audience I was in burst out laughing when the following lines were spoken: &#8216;we will fight terror with terror&#8217;, and the &#8216;shock and awe&#8217; line&#8230; (I found it hilariously depressing to think that in 2154 apparently the phrase &#8216;shock and awe&#8217; will still be around as a cultural referent!)&#8230;. I&#8217;d be interested in knowing whether Cameron has been criticised by the Right in the US for his (albeit ham-fisted) implied critique of the Iraq War &#8211; have you heard anything about reactions to the film&#8217;s politics?</p>
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		<title>By: Martyn</title>
		<link>http://www.martynpedler.com/2009/12/james-camerons-avatar-was-it-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alison, I had the exact same reactions to the previews - I couldn&#039;t believe how cheesy it all looked, and made my share of &quot;twelve years later and he still can&#039;t make the aliens look better than rubery puppets, huh?&quot; gags. Maybe 3D really is the difference. Something like Pixar&#039;s UP didn&#039;t need 3D at all - it just used it for a little extra depth, but you wouldn&#039;t notice it if it was missing.  But without 3D, AVATAR might be missing a major visual component.

(I&#039;m fascinated by audience reactions to this one - and shocked that your crowd was receptive to the point of spontaneous applause!)

As for the &quot;hollow&quot; story - yeah, I know what you mean. But I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d describe it that way, even though it was obviously reheated from a dozen familiar sources. Some film conventions don&#039;t seem to lose power, no matter how often they&#039;re repeated...

What do you think of this comment by the very smart Bob Rehak - http://graphic-engine.swarthmore.edu/?p=372 - who suggests that maybe &quot;...in such a technically intricate production, a relatively simple narrative gearing is required to anchor audiences and lead them [...] along a precise path through the jungle&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alison, I had the exact same reactions to the previews &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t believe how cheesy it all looked, and made my share of &#8220;twelve years later and he still can&#8217;t make the aliens look better than rubery puppets, huh?&#8221; gags. Maybe 3D really is the difference. Something like Pixar&#8217;s UP didn&#8217;t need 3D at all &#8211; it just used it for a little extra depth, but you wouldn&#8217;t notice it if it was missing.  But without 3D, AVATAR might be missing a major visual component.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m fascinated by audience reactions to this one &#8211; and shocked that your crowd was receptive to the point of spontaneous applause!)</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;hollow&#8221; story &#8211; yeah, I know what you mean. But I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d describe it that way, even though it was obviously reheated from a dozen familiar sources. Some film conventions don&#8217;t seem to lose power, no matter how often they&#8217;re repeated&#8230;</p>
<p>What do you think of this comment by the very smart Bob Rehak &#8211; <a href="http://graphic-engine.swarthmore.edu/?p=372" rel="nofollow">http://graphic-engine.swarthmore.edu/?p=372</a> &#8211; who suggests that maybe &#8220;&#8230;in such a technically intricate production, a relatively simple narrative gearing is required to anchor audiences and lead them [...] along a precise path through the jungle&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Avatar last night, with no expectations of liking it.  I had seen a preview for it a few weeks back and actually found it yawn-inducing (the story, when compressed into a 2 min preview seems even more ludicrous) and the visuals were too startling to be immediately enjoyable (it looked like a computer game on acid). But friends wanted to see it, so I went along too.

By good luck we went to a cinema showing the movie in 3D, which really, really enhances the movie. The narrative, when played out over the 2 hours 50 minutes becomes completely involving. The character of Jake Sully works well (the preview gives no sense that he is a paraplegic, and I found that a really interesting dimension in the film) and Sam Worthington is so charismatic (he&#039;s one of those actors about whom they say &#039;women want to be with him; men want to be like him)... The film totally gallops through its running time - I had no sense of boredom or longeurs at all. I like your comments on the tensions between the narrative premise and the actuality of the film&#039;s hyper-expensive production, and I think they&#039;re really vaild - I agree... But it&#039;s a testament to the powers of cinema generally and to Cameron&#039;s film-making here in particular that the film is such an amazing experience that these tensions didn&#039;t enter my mind during it either... The packed audience who sat gripped and motionless (many of whom clapped at the end) would also indicate that Avatar sets a new benchmark for cinematic spectacle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Avatar last night, with no expectations of liking it.  I had seen a preview for it a few weeks back and actually found it yawn-inducing (the story, when compressed into a 2 min preview seems even more ludicrous) and the visuals were too startling to be immediately enjoyable (it looked like a computer game on acid). But friends wanted to see it, so I went along too.</p>
<p>By good luck we went to a cinema showing the movie in 3D, which really, really enhances the movie. The narrative, when played out over the 2 hours 50 minutes becomes completely involving. The character of Jake Sully works well (the preview gives no sense that he is a paraplegic, and I found that a really interesting dimension in the film) and Sam Worthington is so charismatic (he&#8217;s one of those actors about whom they say &#8216;women want to be with him; men want to be like him)&#8230; The film totally gallops through its running time &#8211; I had no sense of boredom or longeurs at all. I like your comments on the tensions between the narrative premise and the actuality of the film&#8217;s hyper-expensive production, and I think they&#8217;re really vaild &#8211; I agree&#8230; But it&#8217;s a testament to the powers of cinema generally and to Cameron&#8217;s film-making here in particular that the film is such an amazing experience that these tensions didn&#8217;t enter my mind during it either&#8230; The packed audience who sat gripped and motionless (many of whom clapped at the end) would also indicate that Avatar sets a new benchmark for cinematic spectacle.</p>
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		<title>By: dsi r4</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsi r4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avatar may be a little hollow in the center but the sheer scale and ambition of the production make it hard to beat. Never mind the inadequacies of the story, just savor the spectacle and what can be achieved with the appliance of science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avatar may be a little hollow in the center but the sheer scale and ambition of the production make it hard to beat. Never mind the inadequacies of the story, just savor the spectacle and what can be achieved with the appliance of science.</p>
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